The dreaded AK-47 *assault* shotgun, thankyouverymuch. Advanced Search. the gas piston threaded into the bolt carrier has a little play in it side to side where it actually threads into the bolt carrier. There has been a lot of talk about these magazines having "burrs" in them fromthe mold causin issues (i had this problem personally). My Saiga 12 is mostly a range toy. Vepr 12 Problems, The Internet is my Only Hope. No. Shame on you TTAG. A quick polish with a steel file took care of it. Just because youre paranoid doesnt mean that people ARENT watching! New from Wolf: Optics and Night Vision Sights. Resolving feeding and ejecting problems of Molot Vepr 12 and Saiga 12 shotguns. In no way do I represent the opinion of TTAG when I say: if you dont like the subjective ratings, then simply ignore them. (1) 8 Rd Magazine and (1) 5 Rd Magazine. Plus, the ones at my WalMart are 1315fps. Modifying it goes sort of against the whole straight-out-of-the-box concept. I did add a forward grip, get a picatiny rail, two allen screws with anchors, remove the bottom stock, install the two screws with anchors and reassemble. With the array of ammo, loads, shot type, etc, making one that runs everything is near impossible. True the manual from I mash is terrible, but 10min on the s12 forums fixes that problem. There is a bolt hold button on this gun that he is getting confused with the bolt release lever. Thanks man, it is sounding more and more like this is a trigger issue. This. Price was 799.99 and was from Classic Arms. As the author said, it was a solution looking for a problem. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Thats what I thought. Early versions of the Vepr-12 were produced by Izhmash, with production moving to the Molot factory where the shotgun was redesigned and mass-produced. Theres always a risk for it, but its hard to say how bad it would be. Overall rating is not mathematically derived from the previous component ratings and encompasses all aspects of the firearm including those not discussed. Shannon also sent me a bottle of break-in lubrication and a set of cleaning tools back with my parts. Either it has sharp edges (you cut yourself or the gun grinds when using it) or it doesnt. Factory threaded barrel (thread pattern is the same as Saiga) Caliber: 12-gauge. You take equipment from the factory and are willing to pan something if its bad. Upload or insert images from URL. got question how many atf going strp down one these just see ifi it complinant. MSRP:$1,199 (Buds). I wouldn't hesitate to use them should the need arise. so im not sure if this is an actual problem or not as this (v12) is my first ak platform weapon of any kind. And lastly, just my opinion, If paralax is an issue and you cant compensate for 1 then maybe a different hobby is better for you. For the most part all semi auto shotguns have their own quirks. Hornady claims to use different powders in their defensive loads to minimise muzzle flash, so that is probably different. ! Also lubed the carrier rails on the receiver. Oh. Sometimes price is included in the ratings, and usually it is in the discussion. Ultimately, you will have to go through the trouble shooting process yourself, but if you run out of options with no luck, consider Cobra's Custom and their professional polishing job. Got myself a great rifle for less than 1 gran on top of few boxes of ammo! Are you rapid firing, or taking your time between the shots? Hornady is one of the few companies that is honest about pellet size too. Guilty!!! The biggest magazines Ive seen fro the VEPR-12 are 12 round magazines, and those require compliance with that pesky Federal statute 922(r) before using them in your gun. Home defense, war, Armageddon is what its designed for. One thing I noticed that was left out of the review that is worth mentioning. As a side note, I did use it to shoot a can of Mt. It has failures to eject. Thats like complaining that your 22lr wont cycle 22short. once they have reason they check all your guns, but u have do ack break the law make atf see u, I was looking for a buttstock for my Vepr 12 Molot. Ok, then which semi-auto magazine fed shotgun are you comparing it to? I started out with a 12 round magazine of #8 birdshot, remington low brass. His point about magazines, there are 5, 8, 10, 12 round mags available and various drums too. There could be some metal shavings or residue in the trigger components that might be causing this issues, but that is just a guess. Take advantage of our guide rod install service, available here:http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/da-recoil-rod-installation/, Works on all Saiga 12, 20, 410 and Vepr 12 shotguns, Abel Anthony Inconsistencies of the factory VEPR 12 & SAIGA 12 Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are well known. But i WILL b racking the hell outta that sgm mag once i get home because the issue seems to be alot worse with the sgm. For practical terms, look for loads that are either at least 1 1/8 oz (32 gram) of shot moving 1200 FPS or faster (3 dr eq). Description THIS IS JUST THE SLEEVE - REPLACE YOUR WORN OUT SLEEVE Inconsistencies of the Saiga Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are a problem due to how it flexes and can jam your gun and not allow it to cycle easily. Has anyone else had this problem? Vepr 12 shotguns are designed for self-defense. I keep my nose clean when 922R is concerned. Overall the VEPR-12 is a dramatic improvement over the Saiga. Then I looked at my ugly but 100% reliable $200 Mossberg 500 with 8 rounds and a wood stock. Loans no. The Vepr-12 also incorporates a unique safety catch and bolt release mechanism. The first, and tightest, was Federal's LE 12700 that showed the sights were regulated low and right, which was quickly corrected without tools on the adjustable tangent rear. I dont see the Vepr as much of an improvement. I received the parts back within a few weeks and they looked beautiful. The overall includes everything overall subjective opinion and shooting experience, price considerations, etc and is not simply an average of the limited preceding categories. best point this is ohio man was open carry a gun wich is leagle police detain him with out cause orther then the gun they found he can sue the state and police. At what point of the loading is it having the issue? Ive beaten competitors much better than me that used those in Trooper division simply because their gun didnt work. Semi-auto AK-style shotguns arent new, and weve reviewed them before on the site. I live in the shotgun only part of Michigan, and Ive been using a saiga with an eotech for the last two years. Third, I say uninformed because as was covered by other responses there is indeed a bolt hold open button that eliminates the supposed need to use an empty magazine to lock the action open. Ergonomics Firing: * * * * Pasted as rich text. However, I was still a bit skeptical seeing as how nothing else I had done had helped even a little. The gun will fire, cycle, eject, and feed a new round, but the trigger reset for the second round doesnt seem to be happening. Full VEPR 12 walk through, ammo test and review. I think for what it is not priced bad at all. The second one I bought was at issue. Double shame for being a shill. I charged the gun with a factory 5-round magazine and fired away. In the same area is the bolt release. Unlike the IZ-109 manually adjustable gas regulator system used on the Saiga-12, the gas system on the Vepr-12 is a clone of the IZ-433 unregulated fixed open port tappet system, allowing the Vepr-12 to cycle most commercially available 12-gauge loads, from 3.25 dram equivalent and up, without risking damage to the shotgun and without requiring any manual adjustment by the user. The follower is a bit rough in my sgm but unfortunately the fte problem happens with the factory 5 rounder also. I get what you saying. Place a screwdriver or other object on the follower ans forcefully push the follower down and let it come back up very quickly. Like all firearms with the Vepr designation, the Vepr-12 receiver is patterned after that of the RPK light machine gun. ATF is always looking for a new avenue of prosecution. No complaints thus far. The first pic is original and the second is modded. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/vepr-12-gauge-shotgun-pre-order-detail.html?Itemid=0, http://www.classicfirearms.com/long-guns/vepr12gashotgun-1. Onetap, I just bought one of these for $699 out the door with tax shipping dros was $915. The Vepr-12 is a multipurpose semi-automatic detachable-magazine shotgun, produced by Molot-Oruzhie Ltd. I tried the new performance springs from CSS with no luck. The mold would have to be changed. Next up is to polish it. is this normal? I was finally able to take my Vepr 12 out this morning to shoot. The aftermarket for Veprs has gotten much better in the past few years as well. You need to insert and empty magazine and then rack the action back, which is an extra step for something so crucial.. I had new in box Saigas with crooked gas ports and not enough gas ports. Some SGM 10-12 rounders have had issues sticking because of some leftover material inside that needs to be smoothed out. $2,699.99. It is a lot of fun to blast a bunch of lead pellets at pumpkins or other deserving food items. You cannot paste images directly. theres no prosecution history of 922r at all. So Second, see my comment right above yours. Take advantage of our guide rod install service, available here: Recoil Guide Rod Assembly VEPR-12 Dissident Arms, http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/15-wolff-recoil-spring/, http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/da-recoil-rod-installation/. Most importantly, read the manual before you fire any gun. The dust cover is hinged to the shotgun, allowing the user to open and close the cover without losing the zeroing of a mounted optic. It turned out to be the gas ports in the gas block. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. The other point is gun is great COMBAT gun for which it was designed. Stock Saigas often simply didnt work at all. Then came the check the gas block and ports. I have an aimpoint M2 on mine. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. A side folding stock is present on most models; however, Vepr-12 shotguns are offered with fixed stocks as well. Eureka!! Is over-penetration what it is supposed to do? There would be a lot of kick with that when you consider the recoil of a 1 ounce slug at 1600 then add another 1/8 oz. How does Rails all over the place, and more after market mods than you can shake a stick at net a mere 4 for customization? The gun had no problems in cycling 00 buck in either 2- or 3-inch shells. For full power buckshot loads it runs flawlessly. Then the question become: why have the rating system at all? Ownership in Russia requires only a smoothbore-gun license. Its an improvement over the old Saiga-12, but I wouldnt judge it being twice as good. I feel fine with my Mossberg 590 for home defense and it only holds 5 rounds. I never done any real testing with it for overpenetration in an HD scenario, but it may overpenetrate. Your previous content has been restored. It works well for things like skeet and hunting, but when you get into tactical uses or competition shooting the game becomes a test of who can stuff rounds in their gun faster. We take the VEPR 12 Shotgun out for a spin on the range. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Ive gone up and down and read all these idiotic comments on how the muzzle brake wont do anythingmy god, people on here are retards. It jammed every time. Comes standard on the CR-12 an KL-12. You need to bend the pegs of your hammer spring towards the outside of the receiver. Rating - 100%. Cmaro21. Yea that was the first thing i thought also. After receiving the gun, I put a new Chaos quad rail on, got a CSS muzzle brake, new Hogue grip, Mako GL-SHOCK stock, Molot factory AR buffer tube hinge adaptor and magazine release button extension. The cheek pad is remarkably well designed, it can be moved out of the way, no problem for me, besides, most people will no doubt use a red dot sight, so sight picture will be unaffected. I couldnt tell you on the overpenetraion aspect, as most of their buckshot is the same across the board. I would do it again and again for the results that I got. You simply cant hold the shortcomings of the Saiga against the VEPR. Once the jams start happening is it continuous through the rest of the magazine or sporadic? Wanted to obtain a collapsible By Its pretty much always the same malfunction. I have thought about using it to hunt with in the future as I can buy 2 round mags. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The Vepr-12 is also chrome lined throughout, including the gas block, barrel, and chamber, affording the shotgun excellent corrosion resistance. Inconsistencies of the factory VEPR 12 & SAIGA 12 Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are well known. Im no gunsmith or engineer or nothing like that but just visually judging by the internals design i figure the tip of the gas piston inserts into the cavity inside the puck once a round is chamberedgotta be tough with 1cm worth of play in the actual piston. Its better than the Saiga-12, but the safety is an issue for me and the gun feels like it has very sharp edges and rough machining. sure Ill have to replace a couple parts but the mag does count as one of them. The CD, Superformance, and Zombie loads are all the same shit with different hulls. My favorite light load is the Remington game load which is 3 1/4 drams and 1 oz load at 1290 fps. The Saiga-12 costs about $610 these days, and this gun retails for nearly twice that much. Looks like a dismantle and deep clean is in order for this thing. You didnt give it a fair test! To which I reply that guns are tested in factory condition, and a gun that needs to be fixed before you can actually use it is a pretty piss poor gun. Go grab some decent buckshot and slugs and run about 20 or so through the gun to make sure it is broken in. And, since my kids all sleep upstairs, I can simply keep the weapon at less than horizontal + 15 degrees and they are totally safe. Two groups of 8 rounders = 32 rounds and is way less cumbersome than the drums and reloads leave other semiautos and pumps in the dust. Early vepr molot import with the factory folder. That may be. The V12 will go for many more rounds without breaking than most pump guns will. Since the Saiga puts you in the higher classes of 3 gun I bought a Mossberg 930 SPX. They continued to happen for the rest of the magazine. Ill report back. Id also be really embarrassed to show up at work without pants on, but its just about as likely. Also try not to limp shoulder the weapon. Lets be honest, the importers arent sponsoring them. Again read the instructions! Press J to jump to the feed. Its annoying and frustrating, and if this were my gun that would be the first thing to go. The VEPR-12 semi-automatic magazine fed shotgun from Molot seems designed to change the game. Thats a piss poor reason to buy a gun but some how it came home with me anyway. Barrel Length: 19 in / 483 mm. I also own a Mossberg 930 and Ive fired slugs from my friends Savage 12 gauge. A Saiga with an eotech for the results that i got 1 ) 8 magazine. 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