Is it possible to find a Hellcat II that runs well, shoots well and fits well? If you spend any amount of time online, youve seen product rating systems on Amazon, Netflix, Yelp, etc., usually in the form of star ratings. The thing is about Cobras, hi points that people that call them junk have never actually researched the gun. How many times are there accidental discharges from soft triggers? Glock 42 4. I recommend them to people all the time, but I do caution that, as is to be expected with a DAO, the trigger is long. Uh no. An odd shaped frame that in my opinion they actually went too small on trying to outdo everyone to be the king of small in 380s. Far better than any of the others gun you talk about on this rag of a story. Quick Summary: Our Top Picks For 5 Best .380 Pistols in 2022 1. And then the gall to refer to Jeremy who by the way did not bother to report that the upgraded model fixed all the issues with the first run. Sorry, but NOT my Kahr. The Sccy gets a 4.3 rating and it stinks? Sig without question is the "Caddilac". WebMAC Website & PrimaryArms website link: http://www.militaryarms.orgJoin Patreon and support MAC! No it is not a light striker fired trigger. I shot the cpx-1 and the cpx-2and never had a problem with either. You can read about well known problems on reddit, Amazon, etc, for ranknings and customer ratings abuse. Otherwise a worthy imitator of the abandoned Walther PPK. They still fall back to the limp wrist and ammo excuses. Lol, a very nice DAO, the new Gen is much lighter. Do you really know anything about pocket guns? I live in Utah, so in the wintertime its a very high probability that Ill be wearing some type of glove. You can buy 1911s now. Also you gotta test the ammo you intend to use. It was his first time shooting it (or any gun) ever. Aside from the problems others have mentioned, the thing is slippery as hell. They sent me a replacement gun that wouldnt chamber the 1st round. I laughed when I got to the CM40. Ruger LCR Pistol Ruger LCR Ruger LCR .357 Mag. Actually bought a second one. Its easy to see why: .380 pistols are typically small enough to carry in the pocket, they are unquestionably smaller and lighter than competing 9mm single stack autos or .38 snubnose revolvers. It is also the only 10 shot 9mm you can find that is truly small enough to pocket carry. 72 people have given the Arsenal Strike 1 a mediocre rating. I broke the firing pin on the first day. My hands are simply too large for the tiny Ruger. The design was intended to produce more accuracy while only sacrificing marginal power. Did it require a break in, a fluff & buff, a whole plethora of different ammo to get my approval? The Pico is a great gun. S&W Bodyguard .380 7. I was also surprised to find the CM40 rated so poorly. 5 Best 380 Pistols for Concealed Carry in 2022 - Gun News A recoil spring system that not only sucks, but lends the thing to have constant and regular jams and FTF and FTEs. Im glad it ended well, but if he hadnt scored a first round hit he would have been screwed for real. Beretta has been making guns for over 500 years and nice guns. SIG P238 Why Use a .380 Pistol? It is not made for quick magazine changes. Personally, Id like to see something a little more scientific than a survey since we have no idea if the respondents even handled the firearm. Baby glocks seem like an attractive option as at least they have a somewhat normal trigger w/ a normal length of pull. Sure, I can see how many people liked or didnt like a firearm, but more important than that is the REASON they voted the way they did. Overall, the trigger on the LCP II makes it infinitely easier to shoot than the original LCP. Though my CW380 was also unreliable and pinched my finger after firing. The take down lever is actually easy to use once get use to it. I trust my Hellcat 380 as much as I do my S & W 39, but I prefer a tight revolver over any semi-auto when my life depends on it. No issue with it. And with 38 other semi-auto pocketguns to choose from, why risk it? Get real. Even a novice can see the better build quality of the Pico. I appreciate the review. George have you tried a different ammo brand? And with gloves on, even the skin tight shooting gloves, it was impossible to get the trigger to reset without removing my finger from the trigger guard completely, or using my support hand to manually push it forward far enough to reset. I think it would have to be the 2mm Kolibri. Its the worlds smallest handgun, and develops just 4 joules of muzzle energy. Its not a joke weapon I also feel the cw380 has very minimal recoil vs other small 380s in its same size. All semi auto weapons will jam at one time or another, and dont feel the same in everyones hand.. Split chassis, cracked frames, split rails, broken take down pins. It smacks you hand, mostly due to the 2 finger grip. Ill definitely be checking it out. A 380 is about as wide as a 9mm. However it is about 1/2 as powerful, 1/2 the weight and velocity. For a very long time 9mm was considered the rock +1 Mag Extensions are the only change to it. IMHO it packs a great punch for a pistol that slips away in my pocket. Total joke. Five for sure and nobody can show otherwise. This is the J-Frame for the masses. The reason I hated it was they are DAO and the trigger pull was a mile long, i found my self pulling the trigger again before it reset. Even though its not made anymore, Ive been interested in trying out a Taurus PT638 if I ever ran across one for a reasonable price, anyone have any experience with one? The SCCY is even rated for +P ammo, in modest doses, according to the company. I posted a new post today regarding the nonsense by this author about the Pico. Wanted to check to see if my comments really apply to your site, and it looks like your server is in melt-down. based on what your stupid opinion? The trigger guard on the LCP has also been enlarged in order to accommodate a gloved finger without risking pulling the trigger. And probably never fired one. Glad I didnt see mine. Or do you just sit around Mommies basement pretending to be a gun commando? Because they just have a vendetta against these manufacturers? Ive heard too many bad comments and complaints about the I.O. Not cheap, but beautifully crafted. Thanks for your post. But hey, thanks for calling regulars to this site a-holes. The Ring of Fire guns are small, super I think you would be hard pressed to find any thing this good for that price. We indicate sponsored content as such. I have seen this kind of nonsense before but did not expect to see it here. Unless you can document that, I think you are off base posting what is basically a rumor. Hey Dan, what gun have you designed or invested in? Voted by handgun magazine as a top pistol and great manufacturer. How about some info on some of the pocket pistols that may be considered the best? There really is NO WAY to know if the rating is based on a real, objective assessment of the firearm. The DAO trigger is long but is consistent and smooth. This list would have been more valid if it had included the KIMBER SOLO, This website is better than the comedy channel. .380 pocket pistols are incredibly easy to conceal, and this is what is largely attributed to their long time popularity in the United States. Shooting (And Finally Breaking) the SCCY CPX-2: http://youtu.be/YzYm_CqMZG8. I have heard the PiCO may be TOO small. Simple the heaviest with the most complicated recoil driven action. That being said my 9yr old daughter has no issue with 380 recoil in a 12ounce g You really missed this one. I have received grief for it as well. Their Reviewers have alot of feed issues due to lack of knowledge of proper grip. ONE STAR FOR YOU! kind of reviews. Hi points work if you use FMJ and clean and oil the gun. This guy most definitely does not have one clue about the Pico. None. All I know is my 1st CPX-2 had to be sent in for service 30 minutes after I got it home. Both nice guns, the Pico is the clear winner. My dad bought a CPX-whichever has the safety about a month ago; Ill have to ask him what he thinks of it next time we talk. Or did all those voters fly to Russia to test them out? My shooting buddy has an LCP. You should consider using a Bayesian average for this situation. How is it possibly at the top of the list? Nice gun, but many of Kahr owners go to the Pico and never look back. Anything In the Ring of Fire Family. I am no statistician but most of the sample sizes were very small. Actually, the KelTec P11 is the same size, came first and holds two more rounds. If you have to rely on Counter Clerks for advice on firearms tells me quite a bit. And BTW, the gunsgunsguns link doesnt work. Any kind of ammo. I have a SCCY too. Do not yank the magazine friends. 6. For those of you looking specifically for a concealed carry pistol, hold off on buying a Glock just yet. I have thousands of rounds through both and they keep on trucking One gun has 5000 rounds with just one failure with all kinds of ammo and that was a bad primer strike, which by the way the Pico has double strike capability which took care of that. It is light and works. Yes, Im sure theyre out there, but the odds youll score one of those unicorns remain low. http://www.waltherarms.com/handguns/ppk/ Its that bad. How is the pot metal Cobra #2? That right there should have indicated that something was up when they feature it at a SHOT SHOW and it takes 2 years to finally put it out for sale. But with 99 votes in, the math is clear: the CPX-2 stinks. Thats a lot! I would very much like to see your proof/examples. AMEN . I own a hp380. I have no Idea how this writer came up with this Bottom Feeder nonsense. Apparently their readership likes Sigs with large sample sizes. Even your most expensive 1911s, Colts, S&W and Glocks will jam or miss fire from time to time. Still, if youre looking for a all purpose value like pistol then look no further (hesk Ive seen them for $200 NIB out the doorAnd yes, Kel-Tec got copied yet again! After the 200 round break in if you have any, then yes you should be pissed. How is the P3AT above the middle of the list? Prohibition: Why It Wouldnt Work Any Better With Guns Than It Did With Alcohol, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, Judge Robert L. Miller: Its an Insult to the Founders to Assume They Didnt Expect Gun Control in Future Generations. From what I have heard the folks at SCCY provide great customer service. WebThe .380 Auto (ACP) Pistol is most often used for self-defense, and is a particularly good choice for concealed carry thanks to its small size. Simple, easy and the Beretta Pico is in fact one of the most mild shooting Pocket Pistols out there. . My Kahr is a nice but, but Finicky as heck. The Kahr chokes on all kinds of ammo. To start with they sat on it for 2 whole years teasing a release and it just kept getting pushed back further and further. No, maybe we are focusing on the self promotion IN CONJUNCTION with the very questionable methods of research and conclusions drawn from them. The CPX-3 and CPX-4 is now available in 380 with less recoil. Fan boys gotta fan boy, and critics gotta criticize. Thats what made my wife choose a Sig P238, which I carry occasionally. I bought it because the idea of 10+1 rounds in 9mm was very appealing. I had issues with mine to start. Personally, Id avoid far more than just the bottom six. If there is what looks like an empty hole its uncocked. Broke the ejector. I have several pocket pistols, Just had my XDS 45 fail on me (Light primer strikes) and have another XDS in 9MM, I have a S&W Sigma 380, that works but is less pleasing than my two Ruger LCPs, Kahr, CW380, or my Colt Mustang XSP. A number of guns you have to shoot 400 rounds or so to exercise the gun so it will never jam as long as it is cleaned and oiled. Taurus 738: Price $355.66. (I like Glocks, but between the trigger and the slimness of the Kahr, Im a convert) My least favorite aspect of the CM40, aside from the revolver-like capacity, is the stiffness of the slide spring. I find that many pistols jam because of a defective magazine thats not feeding properly. Caveat: I bought mine used, so I dont know if the previous owner had done any tweaking to get it that reliable or not, or whether a factory-fresh one would need any sort of break-in period. According to our peers, here are the six worst pocketguns, from less awful to worstest. If one MUST have a 9mm pocket gun, then the Kahr PM9/CM9 is really the only choice. Because they werent reliable? (1) Astroturfing happens, both ways. I think Jimenez and Lorcen companies went bankrupt. There are many more maligned pocket guns and sub-compacts on the market than these two. The guns with the lower number of people voting are probably irrelevant no matter what their scores are. Sorry, until you have vetted ratings, the site is nothing more than adspam. I would love to meet you and show you what your are NOT talking about. The SCCY has one of the best rating out of these guns on your post. SuccySuckeySuckySucySukyNope. I also have the Kahr. Nemesis pocket holster, and 1 spare mag, goes everyehere. The mag will spring out when done correctly. Yes, the LCP II is still a .380 pocket pistol and as a result is still snappy. No warning shot, no shoot to wound. I got a Glock26, and have been happy ever since! I just dont see the silent u in that. Id limit my search to guns rated north of 6.0 on my surveyand Id stay far away from the below-average offerings from Jimenez, Boberg, NAA, MasterPiece, etc. He paid people to review his book on Amazon. People cant make crap up in their comments? Yeah, apparently without the server capacity to handle the resulting load increase, too. In light of that, the valuable service you claim hes doing may well be smoke and mirrors. You have entered an incorrect email address! The sccy is very similar. Ruger LCP Max 2. They were remarkably accurate and soft-shooting, too. At first glance, Japans first semi-automatic pistol design resembles the iconic Most of the post are from newbies that know very little about guns in the first place. I really wanted to like the gun. Not any more fun to shoot, but at least I dont need a damned pencil to take spent brass out of it. Then Ill be unstoppable!!!!! Bottom line: you can do much better. Both types are not recommened by the maker for the guns. In regards to the Cobra a lot of people dissing the gun are those who fire hollowpoints through it. But that is just learning curve and a trade off when they removed the problematic safety from the earlier models. Mostly new firearm buyers that buy into all the advertising and ridiculous internet junk. ******SPONSORED CONTENT/PRODUCT PLACEMENT******. It would likely be more meaningful. This only naturally makes it more difficult to fire properly like we just talked about. I. It is accurate, easy to shoot, recoil is manageable. And what sucks is I held off buying a 380 cause I really thought the Pico would be great. The trigger is long and weighty but smooth. Worst complaint is the trigger, but a lot of dry fires with snap caps and you condition yourself to the long reset. Do it outside with the gun pointing at the ground and mind your hand positions. To send it back would cost to much and the internet dealer would not stand behind it !! It shoots a powerful pistol cartridge in a light gun. .380 pocket pistols are traditionally difficult to fire for a number of reasons: in addition to the horrid trigger pulls like we just discussed, they also suffer from being extremely snappy due to their small size. The gun works. i used to own a keltec p11. You do not have one clue about what you are talking about. As in best gun LOL. How do they perform? Thats whats currently on my hip and I love it. I owned a SCCY CPX-2 (notice the past tense). Man, all I can say is when you mentioned the Pico, you sure messed up on that one. what a waste of time. 2) Cobra Firearms CA380 (4.3 stars 0.9, 36 votes). Think he went through that with customer service Ill give ya the mag though. How so? And the Pico will run like a sewing machine. YES, of course Id rate the G19 at least from a practical, hardcore perspective an obviously more robust, serious combat-capable CC piece, but when you think about it, here I am comparing a Glock 19 to a SCCY CPX-2 for certain situations and that HAS to be a compliment to the SCCY, in an offhand way (and dont accuse me of being a Glock fanboy I own diverse alternatives, and was actually very slow by choice getting into the Glock game.) The tiny gun is lightweight, inexpensive and comfortable to carry. the problem with your rating site is that it is seriously flawed. It makes my SR40C feel like a 9mm. 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